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	<title>Comments on: Installing IBM i on a JS12 Blade in a BladeCenter S</title>
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		<title>By: Antonio (Solved)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio (Solved)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after AMM firmware upgrade I finally solved the issue.
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after AMM firmware upgrade I finally solved the issue.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Altino, &quot;lsdev &#124;grep cd0&quot; returns nothing, and so &quot;ls /dev/cd0&quot;. From the Web interface I cannot assign the cdrom to a server because it&#039;s not listed (I can only create virtual catalogs, like Lukas did). The Bladecenter has no warnings about media tray; I also tried to phisically remove and reinstall media tray and the cdrom. I just opened a support request to IBM.
thank you.
--Antonio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Altino, &#8220;lsdev |grep cd0&#8243; returns nothing, and so &#8220;ls /dev/cd0&#8243;. From the Web interface I cannot assign the cdrom to a server because it&#8217;s not listed (I can only create virtual catalogs, like Lukas did). The Bladecenter has no warnings about media tray; I also tried to phisically remove and reinstall media tray and the cdrom. I just opened a support request to IBM.<br />
thank you.<br />
&#8211;Antonio</p>
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		<title>By: Altino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Altino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antonio,

The vios does not show any cd0 at all or just show it as &quot;configured&quot;?can you see it on IVM (web interface)?

tks

Altino</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antonio,</p>
<p>The vios does not show any cd0 at all or just show it as &#8220;configured&#8221;?can you see it on IVM (web interface)?</p>
<p>tks</p>
<p>Altino</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lukas, great article (very useful to me). 
I&#039;m trying to set up a BC-S with a JS12 and I&#039;ve the cd problem: The Vios cannot see CDROM (no /dev/cd0). Have you/anyone solved this problem?

thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lukas, great article (very useful to me).<br />
I&#8217;m trying to set up a BC-S with a JS12 and I&#8217;ve the cd problem: The Vios cannot see CDROM (no /dev/cd0). Have you/anyone solved this problem?</p>
<p>thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anybody have any used JS12&#039;s for sale?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody have any used JS12&#8217;s for sale?</p>
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		<title>By: altino</title>
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		<dc:creator>altino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Srs,
regarding backup porblems
The tape will be available soon , the drive will be ts2240 lto4, the i5os will see the tape drive as a device as normally do ( tapxx)

tks

Altino</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Srs,<br />
regarding backup porblems<br />
The tape will be available soon , the drive will be ts2240 lto4, the i5os will see the tape drive as a device as normally do ( tapxx)</p>
<p>tks</p>
<p>Altino</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lucas..

How are things going??...any problems with throughput??...I assume things have settled down....:-)

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lucas..</p>
<p>How are things going??&#8230;any problems with throughput??&#8230;I assume things have settled down&#8230;.:-)</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well....looks like you were right Bob..
Mirroring does not drop your cpw in 1/2, 
but you still only get approximately 1200cpw....which is still pretty slow, and will cause some problems with people used to 2400+cpw...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;.looks like you were right Bob..<br />
Mirroring does not drop your cpw in 1/2,<br />
but you still only get approximately 1200cpw&#8230;.which is still pretty slow, and will cause some problems with people used to 2400+cpw&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mirroring doesn&#039;t drop your cpw in 1/2.. depending on the workload it may actually add to CPW.. It depends on if your applications are read or write intensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mirroring doesn&#8217;t drop your cpw in 1/2.. depending on the workload it may actually add to CPW.. It depends on if your applications are read or write intensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lucas....found out something about the disk/CPW relationship....12 SAS disks do not equal 1200cpw.....you have to mirror, so they only equal 600cpw....per IBM....this is only interactive cpw...


Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lucas&#8230;.found out something about the disk/CPW relationship&#8230;.12 SAS disks do not equal 1200cpw&#8230;..you have to mirror, so they only equal 600cpw&#8230;.per IBM&#8230;.this is only interactive cpw&#8230;</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas Beeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukas Beeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

Backup is a problem that i have as-of-yet unsolved. I do have a TS3100 unit in the rack, but it is not attached to the BCS yet, because of a missing cable. That should arrive this or next week.

I have a general on how tape backup using VIOS will work, and i&#039;ve already allocated space for a media library on the rootvg on the internal 147GB drives that are on the blade itself (where VIOS is already installed). 

The problem here is that driving a backup from VIOS to the TS3100 is going to be shitty at best regarding media management. If i had to deploy production solution today, i&#039;d just attach the TS3100 to a Intel blade, and use savefiles for everything. This would give me full media management and restore, and just require space on the IBM i disks themselves. Of course, this would not cover disaster recovery - a quarterly Save 21 to VIOS optical media and then moved over to Windows would fit the bill here.

IMHO, IBM needs to address this. We *need* full tape passthrough so i can manage the library using BRMS.

VIOS was installed on a mirrored pair of disks internal to the Blade itself. The disks/capacity where VIOS is installed can&#039;t be used for an i Partition, but you can use them for a media library (Backup/Restore), and you could use them for an AIX or Linux partition.

How long the initial BCS setup took, i cannot answer. The rack shipped physically assembled. All i had to was plug in the network to the management port and updates all firmwares - a task that required around 1-2 hours, but can be done much faster with the proper experience.

Installing VIOS is not difficult, but takes ages (i think around 5 hours). All you have to do is logon to the BladeCenter AMM, start a Serial-Over-LAN Console session to the blade, insert the VIOS DVD, and boot from it (which is simple as attaching the media tray to the proper blade and powering the blade on). Next, you chose the disk VIOS is installed to and let it run. After 3 hours or so, the install will be complete.

You can now logon through the serial console, configure basic networking, download 5GB worth of VIOS patches, install them, enable mirroring of VIOS across the two internal disks and you&#039;re already done.

Regards,

Lukas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Backup is a problem that i have as-of-yet unsolved. I do have a TS3100 unit in the rack, but it is not attached to the BCS yet, because of a missing cable. That should arrive this or next week.</p>
<p>I have a general on how tape backup using VIOS will work, and i&#8217;ve already allocated space for a media library on the rootvg on the internal 147GB drives that are on the blade itself (where VIOS is already installed). </p>
<p>The problem here is that driving a backup from VIOS to the TS3100 is going to be shitty at best regarding media management. If i had to deploy production solution today, i&#8217;d just attach the TS3100 to a Intel blade, and use savefiles for everything. This would give me full media management and restore, and just require space on the IBM i disks themselves. Of course, this would not cover disaster recovery &#8211; a quarterly Save 21 to VIOS optical media and then moved over to Windows would fit the bill here.</p>
<p>IMHO, IBM needs to address this. We *need* full tape passthrough so i can manage the library using BRMS.</p>
<p>VIOS was installed on a mirrored pair of disks internal to the Blade itself. The disks/capacity where VIOS is installed can&#8217;t be used for an i Partition, but you can use them for a media library (Backup/Restore), and you could use them for an AIX or Linux partition.</p>
<p>How long the initial BCS setup took, i cannot answer. The rack shipped physically assembled. All i had to was plug in the network to the management port and updates all firmwares &#8211; a task that required around 1-2 hours, but can be done much faster with the proper experience.</p>
<p>Installing VIOS is not difficult, but takes ages (i think around 5 hours). All you have to do is logon to the BladeCenter AMM, start a Serial-Over-LAN Console session to the blade, insert the VIOS DVD, and boot from it (which is simple as attaching the media tray to the proper blade and powering the blade on). Next, you chose the disk VIOS is installed to and let it run. After 3 hours or so, the install will be complete.</p>
<p>You can now logon through the serial console, configure basic networking, download 5GB worth of VIOS patches, install them, enable mirroring of VIOS across the two internal disks and you&#8217;re already done.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Lukas</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lukas,

Based on some of the things I&#039;ve heard, 24 hours may be a record. I did have a few questions:

Did you have additional disks available to allocate to VIOS to serve as back-up space?  Or, were you planning another back-up method (network, etc.) 

Did you load VIOS on the internal drive on the blade or one of the BCS drives?

How long did the initial BCS set-up, including the VIOS install take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lukas,</p>
<p>Based on some of the things I&#8217;ve heard, 24 hours may be a record. I did have a few questions:</p>
<p>Did you have additional disks available to allocate to VIOS to serve as back-up space?  Or, were you planning another back-up method (network, etc.) </p>
<p>Did you load VIOS on the internal drive on the blade or one of the BCS drives?</p>
<p>How long did the initial BCS set-up, including the VIOS install take?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen comments that the SAS disks are worth around 100CPW each, giving a full S chassis 1200CPW of power. I think your experience is going to bear this out and with VIOS it may be worse than that. CPW is, of course, a balanced benchmark where I/O is important and my feeling is that SAS is not a powerful an interface as SCSI.
But for a small business I doubt it will matter, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen comments that the SAS disks are worth around 100CPW each, giving a full S chassis 1200CPW of power. I think your experience is going to bear this out and with VIOS it may be worse than that. CPW is, of course, a balanced benchmark where I/O is important and my feeling is that SAS is not a powerful an interface as SCSI.<br />
But for a small business I doubt it will matter, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: i on Blade - More details and installing software on the JS12 Blade &#187; Lukas Beeler&#8217;s IT Blog &#187; Blog Archive</title>
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		<dc:creator>i on Blade - More details and installing software on the JS12 Blade &#187; Lukas Beeler&#8217;s IT Blog &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] i Blade is up and running, and i&#8217;ve received quite a bit of feedback on the Installing the JS12 Blade [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lukas,

I think the idea is that the installation should have been easier, instead of being more difficult to transition to the next big thing. The adoption rate of the blades will be much slower when IT managers realize they have a big headache to get the new technology running, and then for what gain? There would need to be budgets that demand less power consumption and so forth before managers will decide to put up with this type of process for conversion - especially those that are used to the much easier swap-and-go scenario that has been their experience for the past 20 years.

Thanks for your post. It would be great to see more from yourself and others.

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lukas,</p>
<p>I think the idea is that the installation should have been easier, instead of being more difficult to transition to the next big thing. The adoption rate of the blades will be much slower when IT managers realize they have a big headache to get the new technology running, and then for what gain? There would need to be budgets that demand less power consumption and so forth before managers will decide to put up with this type of process for conversion &#8211; especially those that are used to the much easier swap-and-go scenario that has been their experience for the past 20 years.</p>
<p>Thanks for your post. It would be great to see more from yourself and others.</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas Beeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukas Beeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avison,

Where do you see the main problem? I&#039;ll agree that using VIOS is rather cumbersome, but i&#039;m sure that this will improve with further revisions and as we gain more skills on the VIOS/AIX side.

I don&#039;t really think that i on Blade is a bad idea - it&#039;s just a Version 1.0 product that needs further improvement.

Regards,

Lukas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avison,</p>
<p>Where do you see the main problem? I&#8217;ll agree that using VIOS is rather cumbersome, but i&#8217;m sure that this will improve with further revisions and as we gain more skills on the VIOS/AIX side.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think that i on Blade is a bad idea &#8211; it&#8217;s just a Version 1.0 product that needs further improvement.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Lukas</p>
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		<title>By: Avison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like lots of IBM customers, the setup here seems logical - an i5 blade in the BladeCenter S.  We want to be &#039;green&#039; and we like the whole idea.  It&#039;s neat.  What I just don&#039;t get is how the same IBM I have known for ages now can let such chaos descend onto the i5 world.  Do the words &#039;plug and play&#039; have no relevance in this context?

I have the job of setting up small datacentres around the world to run our hosted products.  It makes sense to distribute them into our overseas offices.  The BladeCenter S with i5 blades alongside other blades is rational - but not with the kind of weirdness Lukas Beeler&#039;s had to put up with.  I hate to moan, but this is such a disappointment after all the hype surrounding the launch of i5 blades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like lots of IBM customers, the setup here seems logical &#8211; an i5 blade in the BladeCenter S.  We want to be &#8216;green&#8217; and we like the whole idea.  It&#8217;s neat.  What I just don&#8217;t get is how the same IBM I have known for ages now can let such chaos descend onto the i5 world.  Do the words &#8216;plug and play&#8217; have no relevance in this context?</p>
<p>I have the job of setting up small datacentres around the world to run our hosted products.  It makes sense to distribute them into our overseas offices.  The BladeCenter S with i5 blades alongside other blades is rational &#8211; but not with the kind of weirdness Lukas Beeler&#8217;s had to put up with.  I hate to moan, but this is such a disappointment after all the hype surrounding the launch of i5 blades.</p>
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		<title>By: A testimonial on installing a System i blade &#8212; The iSeries blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>A testimonial on installing a System i blade &#8212; The iSeries blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lukas Beeler has a thorough post about his experience with installing System i onto an IBM JS12 blade. [...]</description>
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