Comments on: IBM x3650 or HP DL380 G5 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/ The experiences of an SMB IT technician Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:48:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: ali http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-3073 ali Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:43:44 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-3073 What failover (NIC) means (X3650)? Can I use this as firewall and with this feature if my Server breakdown /poweroff packet will pass through bettwen 2 NIC ? TQ What failover (NIC) means (X3650)? Can I use this as firewall and with this feature if my Server breakdown /poweroff packet will pass through bettwen 2 NIC ?

TQ

]]> By: math http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-3012 math Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:27:01 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-3012 Up to now we're quite happy with our 2 x3650 Server doing virtualisation on them. 4 SAS-Drives here do fit very tight too, but I don't feel bad about this. If you are from educational sector, IBM gives very interesting offers - they were at almost same price level with Dell in Switzerland. :-) Up to now we’re quite happy with our 2 x3650 Server doing virtualisation on them. 4 SAS-Drives here do fit very tight too, but I don’t feel bad about this. If you are from educational sector, IBM gives very interesting offers - they were at almost same price level with Dell in Switzerland. :-)

]]> By: Jim http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2834 Jim Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:37:22 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2834 I just purchased an x3650 with SATA. One thing I noticed is that the drives are a real tight fit. So tight that there are long scratches on the hard drive from inserting and removing them. Anyone else experience this? I just purchased an x3650 with SATA. One thing I noticed is that the drives are a real tight fit. So tight that there are long scratches on the hard drive from inserting and removing them. Anyone else experience this?

]]> By: Lukas Beeler http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2800 Lukas Beeler Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:39:11 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2800 Pradeep, DL380 G5 supports both ESX and ESXi, in recent version (meaning 3.5 U2). Pradeep,

DL380 G5 supports both ESX and ESXi, in recent version (meaning 3.5 U2).

]]> By: Pradeep http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2799 Pradeep Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:33:51 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2799 vmware support on DL380 G5 server....? vmware support on DL380 G5 server….?

]]> By: eustache http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2116 eustache Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:20:33 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2116 Hi Lucas, I have a card i must put into my IBM x365 server. The card is a 3.3 volts PCI. it's required that I plug into the card the 4-pins 12 volts connector. Does the server have one ? How do I get access to it ? if not, what solution would you advise. Thanks in advance Hi Lucas, I have a card i must put into my IBM x365 server. The card is a 3.3 volts PCI. it’s required that I plug into the card the 4-pins 12 volts connector. Does the server have one ? How do I get access to it ? if not, what solution would you advise.
Thanks in advance

]]> By: Kanthan http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2093 Kanthan Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:21:02 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-2093 Hi A good article and very good feedbacks. Let me through some light on the above. 1. IBM has recently introduced PCI-E SCSI Card, hence no need to buy PCI-X Expander for installing SCSI Controller. 2. IBM has both 3.5" and 2.5" model for HDD spec. However please note that all 3.5" HDDs are 15K RPM compared to 2.5" HDD which are 10K RPM, This plays a critical role for applications such as database/messaging where 15K RPM HDDs are to deliver better performance compared to 2.5" HDDs. The Trade off is you can have only 6 HDDs instead of 8. 3. X3650 with 3.5" HDDs support can be configured as a entry level NAS Appliance (less-Critical) with proper OS. The scalability is a tremendous 4.5TB with 750GB SATA HDDs. 4. I personally do not recommend PCI-X Expander unless it cannot be avoided. Once you install PCI-X Expander, you cannot even use the onboard PCI-E Slots in the Server. Hi

A good article and very good feedbacks.

Let me through some light on the above.

1. IBM has recently introduced PCI-E SCSI Card, hence no need to buy PCI-X Expander for installing SCSI Controller.
2. IBM has both 3.5″ and 2.5″ model for HDD spec. However please note that all 3.5″ HDDs are 15K RPM compared to 2.5″ HDD which are 10K RPM, This plays a critical role for applications such as database/messaging where 15K RPM HDDs are to deliver better performance compared to 2.5″ HDDs. The Trade off is you can have only 6 HDDs instead of 8.
3. X3650 with 3.5″ HDDs support can be configured as a entry level NAS Appliance (less-Critical) with proper OS. The scalability is a tremendous 4.5TB with 750GB SATA HDDs.
4. I personally do not recommend PCI-X Expander unless it cannot be avoided. Once you install PCI-X Expander, you cannot even use the onboard PCI-E Slots in the Server.

]]> By: Lukas Beeler http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1983 Lukas Beeler Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:26:11 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1983 Hi eustache, You can swap out the PCI-E Raiser for a PCI-X Raiser. PCI-X slots are downward compatible to PCI. But beware - 5 Volt PCI Cards don't run in the PCI-X Raiser. Make sure that your PCI Card is a 3.3V Card, and you can jusst plug that one into the PCI-X Raiser. The PCI-X Raiser must be purchased separately, and is priced at around 300US$. According to this page: http://www.dialogic.com/products/tdm_boards/media_processing/D41JCT_Boards.htm You can purchase that card with a PCI-E connector. Depending on the price of your card, it might be a better deal to just purchase a new PCI-E Card, thus future proofing your investment for the next server generation. Hi eustache,

You can swap out the PCI-E Raiser for a PCI-X Raiser. PCI-X slots are downward compatible to PCI. But beware - 5 Volt PCI Cards don’t run in the PCI-X Raiser. Make sure that your PCI Card is a 3.3V Card, and you can jusst plug that one into the PCI-X Raiser. The PCI-X Raiser must be purchased separately, and is priced at around 300US$.

According to this page:
http://www.dialogic.com/products/tdm_boards/media_processing/D41JCT_Boards.htm

You can purchase that card with a PCI-E connector. Depending on the price of your card, it might be a better deal to just purchase a new PCI-E Card, thus future proofing your investment for the next server generation.

]]> By: eustache http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1982 eustache Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:19:26 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1982 Hi Lukas, We’ve purchased a x3650 Server. I’d like to put in the dialogic analog card, D/41JST-LS . Unfortunately the server does have only PCIe . Event the PCI raiser. Thus, it can’t currently support my card. Would you, please, advise me what I shall do, to be able to use my Dialogic board within the server. Thanks Hi Lukas,
We’ve purchased a x3650 Server. I’d like to put in the dialogic analog card, D/41JST-LS . Unfortunately the server does have only PCIe . Event the PCI raiser. Thus, it can’t currently support my card.
Would you, please, advise me what I shall do, to be able to use my Dialogic board within the server.
Thanks

]]> By: Rahman http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1818 Rahman Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:03:12 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1818 Hi Lukas, Just pondering about suitable internal LTO2 TAPE DRIVE for x3650. Could you please tell me the part number or its clue (type, etc...) to get that items... Thanks in advance. Hi Lukas,

Just pondering about suitable internal LTO2 TAPE DRIVE for x3650. Could you please tell me the part number or its clue (type, etc…) to get that items…

Thanks in advance.

]]> By: Lukas Beeler http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1620 Lukas Beeler Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:25:02 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1620 The 8k adapter is required for RAID5, yes. The 8k adapter is required for RAID5, yes.

]]> By: Mikin http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1619 Mikin Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:53:12 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1619 hi, i would like to know, does it require to buy any Additional Server RAID-8k adaptor for RAID-5 Configuration or it comes with RAID-8k Adaptor with IBM X-3650 model ? my idea to use 2.5" 10K RPM SAS HDDS, 146 *4 HDDs, 1 HDD for OS & DATABASE Server application installation & 3 HDDs for DATA storage(with RAID-5 COnfiguration). I don't want to use OS HDD for RAID-5 configuration. Pl. guide me as earliest. Thanks in advance, Regards, Mikin Shah hi,

i would like to know, does it require to buy any Additional Server RAID-8k adaptor for RAID-5 Configuration or it comes with RAID-8k Adaptor with IBM X-3650 model ?

my idea to use 2.5″ 10K RPM SAS HDDS, 146 *4 HDDs, 1 HDD for OS & DATABASE Server application installation & 3 HDDs for DATA storage(with RAID-5 COnfiguration). I don’t want to use OS HDD for RAID-5 configuration.

Pl. guide me as earliest.

Thanks in advance,

Regards,
Mikin Shah

]]> By: Rahman http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1423 Rahman Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:06:07 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1423 Thanks Lukas. Good news to hear this from you. Thanks Lukas. Good news to hear this from you.

]]> By: Lukas Beeler http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1421 Lukas Beeler Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:25:33 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1421 @Rahman: IBM x3650 has N+N redundancy when you have purchased a secondary powersupply. HP DL380 G5 has N+1 redundancy, always. Both machines continue to operate in case of a single fan failure. @Rahman:

IBM x3650 has N+N redundancy when you have purchased a secondary powersupply.

HP DL380 G5 has N+1 redundancy, always.

Both machines continue to operate in case of a single fan failure.

]]> By: Rahman http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1420 Rahman Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:21:12 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1420 Could someone confirm with me about both server fan? I have heard about the x3650...if a fan failure, the server continue to operate as usual. But HP don't. All the HP machine will be down until the replacement has been made. Please advise. Could someone confirm with me about both server fan? I have heard about the x3650…if a fan failure, the server continue to operate as usual. But HP don’t. All the HP machine will be down until the replacement has been made.

Please advise.

]]> By: Tommy Chieng http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1403 Tommy Chieng Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:17:48 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1403 sorry...i forgot the link: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/pdf/ibmperformanceperwattstudy07-17-07.pdf sorry…i forgot the link:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/pdf/ibmperformanceperwattstudy07-17-07.pdf

]]> By: Tommy Chieng http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1402 Tommy Chieng Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:16:47 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1402 Hi guys, Just stumble upon this blog. Here's a good reference of the comparison of both of the servers in terms of performance per watt. Hi guys,
Just stumble upon this blog. Here’s a good reference of the comparison of both of the servers in terms of performance per watt.

]]> By: Rahman http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1332 Rahman Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:44:19 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1332 Hi Lukas, Thanks for your great ideas. I will look into the 4Gb RAM and stay with 32 bit OS. Hi Lukas,

Thanks for your great ideas. I will look into the 4Gb RAM and stay with 32 bit OS.

]]> By: Lukas Beeler http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1331 Lukas Beeler Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:29:46 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1331 Jason: I know what you mean. I've seen this more than once, with both HP, IBM etc. partners. The problem is usually that you're talking to a company which cathers to much larger customers. There are just no people working there that know the SMB segment. IBM has recently launched an initiative to change this, but so far we haven't seen much good effects. We're a small reseller, and another thing that also happened more than once is that we spent weeks with a small business customer, tuning his configuration, advising on products etc., and in the end he bought from a larger IBM partner in the area, because they had 2% better prices (of course he just sent them the config we've worked out over those weeks). The larger partners get better prices, which makes some sense. Rahman: Sorry for the late reply. Yes, in that case stay with 32bit. Remember that more than 4GB RAM would require the Enterprise Edition of WS2003, and even then you can't address the whole memory in one process (only processes which are AWE aware can use more than 2GB). In general, more than 4GB RAM in a 32bit machine shouldn't be considered. Jason: I know what you mean. I’ve seen this more than once, with both HP, IBM etc. partners. The problem is usually that you’re talking to a company which cathers to much larger customers. There are just no people working there that know the SMB segment. IBM has recently launched an initiative to change this, but so far we haven’t seen much good effects.

We’re a small reseller, and another thing that also happened more than once is that we spent weeks with a small business customer, tuning his configuration, advising on products etc., and in the end he bought from a larger IBM partner in the area, because they had 2% better prices (of course he just sent them the config we’ve worked out over those weeks). The larger partners get better prices, which makes some sense.

Rahman: Sorry for the late reply. Yes, in that case stay with 32bit. Remember that more than 4GB RAM would require the Enterprise Edition of WS2003, and even then you can’t address the whole memory in one process (only processes which are AWE aware can use more than 2GB). In general, more than 4GB RAM in a 32bit machine shouldn’t be considered.

]]> By: Jason Slater http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1329 Jason Slater Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:22:16 +0000 http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/30/ibm-x3650-or-hp-dl380-g5/#comment-1329 I had to make this very decision earlier in the year and what swung it for me was not the technology but the partners. The IBM partners just failed to get their acts together and one treated us almost comically when we talked about only requiring one or two servers. When it came to HP however the story was different, I got to talk to people who seemed to understand my requirements far better, not only that but information arrived when it should and I didn't have to keep going back chasing or verifying things. It's almost a shame because I started out liking the IBM offering especially as we already run a number of pSeries but I have to say that I am very happy with our HP DL380 machines. Jason. http://theitmanagersjournal.blogspot.com I had to make this very decision earlier in the year and what swung it for me was not the technology but the partners. The IBM partners just failed to get their acts together and one treated us almost comically when we talked about only requiring one or two servers. When it came to HP however the story was different, I got to talk to people who seemed to understand my requirements far better, not only that but information arrived when it should and I didn’t have to keep going back chasing or verifying things. It’s almost a shame because I started out liking the IBM offering especially as we already run a number of pSeries but I have to say that I am very happy with our HP DL380 machines.

Jason.
http://theitmanagersjournal.blogspot.com

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